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9/11



yes i know what date it is

it's just that over here we talk about it in a less hysterical way
we are not at war with the rest of the world like you
"if you're not with us you're against us"
i bet they got that from the bible, i have to check..

there's another important date coming up
in november
the second, i believe
you know what to do..
right?

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(Anonymous)
Sep. 11th, 2004 06:06 pm (UTC)
ignorant
im guessing you are able to talk about it "in a less hysterical way" because 3,000 people didn't die in your city. you didn't see the burning buildings from 2 miles away. you didnt lose 10 people on your block alone. you didn't attend 21 funerals. you didn't walk outside for three weeks and then finally ask your parents, "what is that smell?" and here the responce "burnt flesh". im guessing that is why you are able to speak about 9/11 in a less hysterical way, because you dont and never will know what it felt like that day in new york city. living in new york city for my entire life, i am disgusted with your lack of respect for the 3,000 innocent people that died on this day three years ago.
tamar
Sep. 11th, 2004 07:17 pm (UTC)
Re: ignorant
lack of respect? you think so? well then you don't really know me, do you? of course i feel for the victims of 9/11 and the families they left behind. no doubt about it. but that's not what this is about.
it's about the way the bush administration responded to the attacks. the so called war on terrorism, the war in afghanistan and iraq, your civil liberties down the drain.. the 'an eye for an eye' method. of course every terrorist should be brought to justice, but i don't think killing random people in far away countries is the answer.
unlike you, i'm not so sure attacks like those on 9/11 can't happen over here or anywhere else.

oh and if you have a livejournal, please make yourself known. i prefer to know who i am talking to.
(Anonymous)
Sep. 12th, 2004 08:28 pm (UTC)
Re: ignorant
you're pathetic. i almost got sick. you just turned something so tradgic into a bush bashing. thousands of people died that day. bush did what any respectable president would do. he defended our country in a time of distress. what you are shown on television isn't everything the government has. while you do have free speech, you can't say with confidence that bush aimlessly attacked iraq and afghanistan for revenge. and while i also cannot say this with confidence, i believe there were other reasons. he did consult the un. he did give saddam warning. i know on nov 2 i will be voting to put bush back into office. he deserves to be there.
tamar
Sep. 13th, 2004 02:06 pm (UTC)
Re: ignorant
please don't insult me. i was kind enough to unscreen your comment, to let others read what you have to say. i respect your opinion and your decision to give your "commander-in-chief" a second chance, even though i so totally not understand it.
sleepysweater
Sep. 11th, 2004 07:08 pm (UTC)
I couldn't agree more. It's time for a change.
lordrokesh
Sep. 11th, 2004 07:39 pm (UTC)
Not all Americans are fools
Try to Seperate The Right Wing Nutjobs from the rest of us. not everyone is a fool.

The way i see it is there is a Delecate balance that needs to be found. We can't let terrorism go unchecked in the world, but we also can't go too far into limiting freedoms and becoming warmongers.

the USA is not the only place touched by terrorists all countries should work together to stop torrorists from commiting such horrific acts. And We should build effective ways to protect ourselves. The Ideas that the Bush administration bring forth which ammount to no less than Destroying the Constitution of the United states are not an answer. There are questions to be asked, there are steps to be taken, but so far we havent asked the right questions or taken the right steps.

I only hope that people will see clearly that things such as the patriot act that take stabs at our core freedoms serve onlyh to bring us closer to a disturbing controlled 1984 like society where big brother is everywhere, and even your thoughts are policed. Maybe one day people will learn to see the world with their own eyes and not the ones given to them.
tamar
Sep. 11th, 2004 08:42 pm (UTC)
Re: Not all Americans are fools
yes the 'you' i was referring to, is not every american. i should have made that distinction more clearly.
rkledgerwood
Sep. 12th, 2004 01:36 am (UTC)
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I deplore that statement (yep, Bush said it), and many Americans do not believe that way. Instead, we hold hope that at some time in the future, our democratic process will be returned to the people. And most Americans do not despise Europe the way Bush's economic and military policy would leave one to believe. Many feel the opposite, but sadly, do not vote.

Shit, I feel like Tibet. With about as much hope for a representative result in this coming November.
garaynbow
Sep. 12th, 2004 06:22 am (UTC)
Shit, I feel like Tibet. With about as much hope for a representative result in this coming November.

Very very true! I am amazed with how apathetic many people are. I asked a coworker of mine what her thoughts were for the election and she said "I guess I'll vote for Kerry. He's the democrat, right?" I couldn't believe the ignorance... at least she's voting for my side, but how many people vote because "Bush is the Republican, right?"? That's one reason I think we need to do away with parties and just judge the candidates on their qualifications. Grr...
tamar
Sep. 12th, 2004 07:27 pm (UTC)
i keep reading that especially young people aren't "into" politics these days. As long as they can still watch their favourite shows on TV, buy all the CD's & DVD's they want and have the latest cell phone model, they're not worried.

first i thought this was kind of a generalization, but apparently it's not. not that many people seem to read a serious newspaper anymore and a lot of them get their information from a few sound bytes. i hate to think that we, over here in europe, seem to know more about the bush administration than the average american. now that would be scary..
retrodoggy
Sep. 12th, 2004 04:35 pm (UTC)
Hey you're right as always (haha!)
They got it from the bible:

Matthew 12:30
He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.


freederry
Sep. 13th, 2004 12:08 am (UTC)
my two cents
Defining terrorism,whose side who is with, or even the motivation and the who is real behind such acts and the hysteria after is really beyond my ability to understand.You seem to have a good point but in my mind all that "terrorism" thing is so confused that i really cannot express any worthy attitude.The fact that your post make me think of such things is nice though.
tamar
Sep. 13th, 2004 04:41 pm (UTC)
Re: my two cents
i kind of anticipated a few anonymous comments like that. to some people everything is either black or white, good or evil. somehow they fail to see all the shades of grey. and i think more people (countries) should get together to find solutions and not just blindly follow the USA in their so-called war on terror.
1punky4u
Sep. 13th, 2004 05:48 am (UTC)
Hmmm, I was chatting with a friend of mine in Romania yesterday and the subject came up. She told me that her country observed a moment of silence for the memory of the victims. I thought that was nice and thanked her. But when I asked why they would do that, she responded, I don't know, I guess because it was such a bad thing. While I do have feelings, and my heart does go out to those survivors, and families and all whole toiled at ground zero (many of whom are suffering in multiple ways still) I can't stand the fever surrounding this date in our history. It was shocking, terrible and certainly a pivital moment in time, but I think the act, the day, the loss are bieng udsed poorly, and certainly improperly. In fact, when Chaney said, the other day in a speach, that if, on election day you don't make the right choice (and vote republican) then another 9-11 would happen. Is this not terrorism itself? Using fear to promote ones agenda? That is a shadow of this adminstration that I hope more people, here and abroad will realize. You are right my friend, we are on the wrong path now. I do believe a response to terrorist acts areimportant and necessary, but to alienate the citizens of the world by waging all out war (and on a country that had NOTHING to do with the act itself)is much like an act of terrorism itself. Why is this so hard to see?
tamar
Sep. 13th, 2004 04:05 pm (UTC)
i've seen parts of that speech. they tried to make it look quite informal. i believe this picture is from it:



that remark by cheney that you mentioned is just vicious and above all condescending. karl rove is definitely behind that, i can smell! sensible people know it's not true. but the bad thing is that lines like that are repeated over and over on all kinds of tv channels.
1punky4u
Sep. 14th, 2004 09:30 am (UTC)
yes, thats the Republican way! make a good soundbite, then repeat it everywhere all the time and eventually the masses will accept it as the truth.
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