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Oct. 28th, 2004



i have no way of knowing if this story is true. i don't know this girl, anniesj, so i'll give her the benefit of the doubt. she was visited by the secret service for a post she made in her livejournal about president bush. apparently someone reported her to the fbi.

on the one hand you think: nah.. she must be lying. america can't be that fucked up and the fbi has better things to do than investigating a girl with an online journal..

but then.. this doesn't have to be a hoax. i know things like this have happened before, so i wouldn't be surprised if this was true as well. who knows what's really going on in this land of paranoia these days?

either way, my dear americans, you have my pity. i am sure i don't have to remind you who (not) to vote for next week..

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cycomonkey
Oct. 27th, 2004 08:17 pm (UTC)
Holy shite! Thanks for posting!
sleepysweater
Oct. 27th, 2004 08:26 pm (UTC)
Believe me: America *IS* that fucked up!!!
uberdionysus
Oct. 27th, 2004 09:28 pm (UTC)
Yep. Believe it. Although freedom of speech is protected by the first amendment, the secret service can (and is supposed to) investigate anyone who claims to plan to kill the president. Our country is pretty far gone. Pray to the universe and hope the religious nuts don't send our country further into hell.
tamar
Oct. 28th, 2004 05:37 pm (UTC)
i have nothing against religion, but i don't like to see people imposing their religious beliefs on others. and isn't there such a thing as separation of church and state?

uberdionysus
Oct. 28th, 2004 08:01 pm (UTC)
I have a lot against religion, but I'll keep it to myself.

Yes, there is supposed to be a separation of church and state, but Dubya seems to think it's the work of the Devil and seems to be doing everything he can do dismantle it.
pouvoir
Oct. 28th, 2004 01:40 am (UTC)
yeah, i read that before. if it's true, then that's seriously fucked up.
martin365
Oct. 28th, 2004 05:36 am (UTC)
It could weel be true. I can tell you that the internet is watched in teh UK by MI5, and typing in certain words on searches etc. will get you 'flagged'.

Just like in surveillance, as with terrorism, the most ordinary people or things can be a veiled threat or method.

I am not too sure about knocking on teh door though - most agencies watch from a distance first, rather than 'go public'. But then again, we were the pioneers in the world for this stuff, not the Americans - who can lack discretion and finesse in some things.

tamar
Oct. 28th, 2004 05:52 pm (UTC)
i've heard about that. they check for combinations of certain words in emails etc. more or less like an anti-spam program does.

it wouldn't surprise me if that story was true, but it all sounded a bit unlikely & over the top.

MI5.. those are the guys from 'spooks' right? :p
martin365
Oct. 28th, 2004 06:41 pm (UTC)
Yes, MI5 and MI6 are all 'spooks'. They are often very normal people as they just blend in to teh everyday world. Old, young, tall or short - they all have a place.

Also...
In the UK, all ISPs are obliged to have a 'black box' watching the data flow, and picking up on anything suspicious or a threat. A legal obligation is not the same as having to have it, so I do not know how effective that particular method is.

The Americans are overly paranoid, so they probably have this stuff too, but it is probably law there.
cajunsweets
Oct. 28th, 2004 11:22 am (UTC)
I would think it is true. Under the new Patriot Act, the U.S. is supposed to investigate anyone who might be a terrorist. That includes saying negative things about the President and this country.
uberdionysus
Oct. 28th, 2004 08:27 pm (UTC)
True, but the Secret Service has always had the right to investigate anyone who says anything that can be construted as a threat against the president. Groucho Marx once made a crack about killing the president and then asked if the president was going to do anything about it. Under the law, he could have been interviewed and, if deemed a threat, arrested. Since is was Groucho Marx, no one said a thing.
uberdionysus
Oct. 28th, 2004 08:39 pm (UTC)
I messed up the story. Groucho Marx said that the only hope for the country was if someone assassinated Nixon. Paul Krassner told Groucho he was going to get him arrested (Krassner was a left wing jokster). Groucho agreed.

This is from Krassner:

"I wrote to the San Francisco office of the U.S. Department of Justice, asking about the status of the case against Groucho, particularly in view of the indictment of Black Panther David Hilliard for using similar rhetoric. Here's the reply I received:

Dear Mr. Krassner:
Responding to your inquiry, the United States Supreme Court has held that Title 18 U.S.C., Section 87) prohibits only "true" threats. It is one thing to say "I" (or we) will kill Richard Nixon when you are the leader of an organization which advocates killing people and overthrowing the government; it is quite another to utter the words which are attributed to Mr. Marx, an alleged comedian. It was the opinion of both myself and the United States Attorney in Los Angeles (where Marx's words were alleged to have been uttered) that the latter utterance did not constitute a "true" threat.

Very truly yours,

/s/, /James L. Browning Jr. United States Attorney
http://www.sirbacon.org/4membersonly/groucho.htm
etienneetmireil
Nov. 28th, 2004 01:03 am (UTC)
For a country proud of its Freedom and Freedom of Speech it's amazing how quickly they both are drying up.

Thomas Jefferson once said "Dissent is the strongest form of patriotism." Methinks if he were with us today, the Feds would bring President Thomas Jefferson for questioning....
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