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"ok once again, so this phan van khai bloke sits there in the oval office and he has to listen to george bush lecturing him on human rights?"

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garaynbow
Jun. 22nd, 2005 12:42 pm (UTC)
it's enough to make me give up watching any sort of political news until the next election! ugh!
jimmycheese
Jun. 22nd, 2005 07:39 pm (UTC)
Well, again, I'm not the most worldly person and don't claim to be the most educated in diplomatic affairs, but I can't see where this is going to hurt. He's trying to work through negotiations instead of using the strong arm approach. Isn't that what everyone was all up in arms about pre-war?

I don't think he has done everything right, but things could be alot worse. Would Kerry have done better? I don't know, but I got a really bad feeling from that guy.

My 2 cents
blakeseventy3
Jun. 23rd, 2005 12:49 am (UTC)
The point that was being made was that it was extremely hypocritical. The BBC (along with dozens of other reputed news sources) posted news earlier this year by a US university paper that showed that Bush was responsible for the deaths of over half a million innocent folks in Afghanistan and Iraq (NOT including republican guard and soldiers etc), yet Mr Killing Machine Who Supports No Human Rights in Camp X-Ray was giving a lecture about human rights to someone else?

Now this, indeed, is a laugh and a half.
tamar
Jun. 23rd, 2005 08:42 am (UTC)
i'm always for the diplomatic way of solving things and maybe vietnam has some work to do to improve its human rights record, i don't know enough about that country. but what i meant was, that it was such an idiotic thing to read that, of all people, george bush is telling others to respect human rights!

i think kerry would have done things a bit better, but probably not as much as people were thinking at that time.
i posted an image a while back that more or less says it all..
http://www.livejournal.com/users/mimulus/79691.html

:p
babehead
Jun. 23rd, 2005 12:13 am (UTC)
Yes it's ridiculous when you think about it. The fact he has to hear this from a president of a country that's killing civilians in other countries and running off-shore torture camps like Guantanamo Bay.
blakeseventy3
Jun. 23rd, 2005 12:47 am (UTC)
The wonders that the world brings us.
jimmycheese
Jun. 23rd, 2005 01:13 pm (UTC)
I happen to believe there is a difference when a country is at war and civilians die, rather then when a country is at peace and civilians die. War is an ugly thing that consumes all involved.

I have always been of the opinion that a majority of the Iraqi people just want to be left alone, to farm, practice their religion and live in peace. But the fundamental Muslims take these uneducated people and tell them that if they don't agree with the Sunni or Bathe party religions, that they are the problems and will be eliminated. What would you do if someone told you that? You would go along with whatever and hope that things settle down and you can go back to living in peace.

The fundamental Muslims are the ones that are dangerous. If you don't believe exactly what they do, they want you dead. And (their) God would welcome that. They are the ones that are putting up such a fight over there.

Guantanamo Bay - Yes, things have not gone very smooth. There have been some abuse of the prisoners, but they are being dealt with. As a whole, I don't believe for a minute that it's a torture camp. Is it the country club prisons we have here in the states? No, nor should it be.

I do find it difficult to have a discussion with someone who paints with such a wide brush (Mr Killing Machine Who Supports No Human Rights in Camp X-Ray). That is a tad bit strong, don't you think?
jimmycheese
Jun. 23rd, 2005 01:15 pm (UTC)
By the way, that Kerry sign is funny.
fingerthemiddle
Jul. 7th, 2005 02:28 pm (UTC)
I just dumped a woman I was dating because she is a staunch supporter of President Bush... how can anyone be so dumb? blind? stupid? etc...
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